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Living with Nausea: My Story in Six Charts

simonbarker87

For those with no clear diagnosis for similar leading to “It’s IBS” I _highly_ recommend gut directed hypnotherapy. I am as science, tech, engineering as you can be but after 3 months of similar (but not as bad) symptoms as the author I happily tried the Nerva app at a dieticians recommendation. This was after every test you van do ruled out anything life threatening, bacterial or physical.

It started to work for me very quickly and helped me isolate triggers (none were food, all work and stress related, even though I didn’t feel stressed at all) and now, after about 3 months the I’m mostly fine again.

The mind gut connection is strong and very very real.

I hope the author continues to get better.

GlenTheMachine

So my kid has ARFID. I am not a doctor, but what I have learned is that eventually, anything that causes nausea associated with eating can progress into ARFID, even if the original underlying cause resolves. ARFID is technically an eating disorder, like anorexia, but it isn't related to poor body image; it is, basically, a food aversion to, well, food. All food, or nearly all. This is what happened to my kid; there’s an underlying disorder that can be treated with meds, but when not treated causes nearly constant nausea. Once we diagnosed and treated the underlying cause, the nausea didn’t go away. My kid's brain had learned to associate eating with being sick, and that association persisted even when the original illness resolved.

My kid at one point was admitted to the hospital for two weeks because said kid had lost so much weight. They inserted a gastric tube, and kid discovered that kid did not become nauseous when fed through the tube. We knew kid had ARFID, but this was ah “a-ha” moment for kid, because it showed kid irrefutable proof that the problem was not a physical issue with kid's gut. It was very clearly related to the experience of eating. Kid has subsequently learned to “eat through the nausea” as described in the post.

That's what this sounds like. There was likely an underlying physical cause of the nausea; that cause may or may not have resolved, but the nausea is now it's own thing. The OP indicates a series of consults with a behaviorist; I would imagine being screened for eating disorders is what that was about, but ARFID is not a common eating disorder, and may or may not have been considered.

mncharity

Fwiw: Strenuous winter activities (eg mountain hiking and camping) can more than double baseline calorie demand. Sitting down to a base camp meal afterward can be a body-has-a-mind-of-its-own saliva-gushing "FEED ME NOW!!!" experience of really-need-to-pee intensity. Normally unappealing food commonly becomes just fine - uncooked pasta, blocks of lard, whatever. So I wonder... what happens if food-is-nauseating is repeatedly hit with a hammer of the "are you going to eat that vomit, or can I please have it? - it looks quite yummy" of extreme calorie appeal?

Another thought is the breastfeeding maternal-diet envelope expansion drill, of working outward from some one bland safe thing, experimentally adding a thing at a time, and backing off upon problems.

FollowingTheDao

Your son’s serotonin in his gut may still be high. Please do not assume that the nausea is related to a psychological disorder. My parents did this with me and it turns out my case was a lot more complicated.

I don’t know if you tried antinausea medication that blocks the serotonin HT3 receptor but if you try that and the nausea goes away, I would look ant increased serotonin release as a culprit instead.

FollowingTheDao

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK603710/

"Research regarding ARFID is still emerging; the role of serotonin in sensory processing and anxiety suggests a potential mechanism through which neurotransmitter dysregulation could influence the disorder. Moreover, sensory processing issues, which are not exclusive to ARFID but are also present in other conditions (eg, autism), may be associated with abnormal serotonin function, further supporting the need to investigate serotonin's role in ARFID"

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC305267/

divbzero

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance describes how motorcycle maintenance by the owner is qualitatively different from motorcycle maintenance by a professional mechanic. The professional mechanic can examine the motorcycle at a single point in time, but the owner rides the motorcycle and can collect observations as the motorcycle runs.

Understanding your body can be similar. While medical expertise is absolutely worth consulting, doctors can only base their diagnoses on your self-reported symptoms and on their examinations at single points in time. The more data you collect and report to the doctor, the more likely you can work out exactly what's going on.

I know someone who lived with chronic discomfort, observed over several years, and after many doctor visits finally pinpointed the root cause. Best wishes to the author on his search.

wholinator2

Hey there, i have crohns' which isn't nausea based for me but definitely i understand the debilitating nature of gastrointestinal issues. It really just kills your ability to think, to talk socially, it completely and totally stole my adolescence. I'm sure you've done endless research, I'm not gonna tell you i have a cure. But if you haven't, you should look into gut microbiota. My understanding is that the balance of types of bacteria in the stomach and intestines has so so so much more to do with our daily experience than anyone realizes. And that any kind of infection or antibiotic regiment or just normal living can precipitate a change in the balance that just obliterates peoples lives. And we just don't know much at all about it yet. I've seen many people talk over the years about experimenting with different probiotics, even down to ordering exact strains of bacteria to make yogurt and test. If you need a new path to research and try things you can look there. As i said, doctors don't know much about it yet so it you probably can't find one to guide you through it. You'll have to figure it out, but it's possible, people have been helped, and at the end of it all, i hope it gets better for you. <3

jb1991

If the author is reading this, might want to consider the possibility of an onset of chronic "silent migraines" which can have quite the nauseating effect but without the headache. I suffer from them and they are debilitating. While reading your article, I kept thinking it would eventually get to the part where you discovered you are having migraines (which also tend to run in cycles of a couple weeks to a month for many people, myself included), but no mention of this anywhere, so thought I'd point it out.

jastanton

I cannot believe how exhausting (and expensive) this investigation has been for you. I had a GI surgery and one of the possible outcomes was permanent nausea, and when I woke up I had nausea for about 3 months and it was horrific. The symptoms resolved on their own after a while, and for a time I believe them to be psychosomatic, so I began meditation. In the end I don't know, but that must be scary.

I'm curious if fecal microbiota transplantation has been discussed? From what I can tell the gut biome is under studied and the effects are pretty scattered and wide. Thoughts?

belmarca

Hi author,

I have an uncannily similar physical and symptomatic profile. Do you experience anxiety? My symptoms were so intense and unpredictable that I developed anxiety from it. I had to learn to manage and distinguish both issues, which helped a ton. I never had any formal diagnostic as every doc basically says "everything's normal", but I now suspect a heightened stomach sensibility due to multiple COVID-19 infections coupled with a highly stressful period in my life. I haven't had COVID in a while now and my stress levels are much lower so symptoms are mostly gone.

I understand how debilitating and hellish it can be. I wish you all the best!

drewg123

I had GI surgery, and afterwards, I had an "Ileus" (intestines don't move food through), which is apparently a low probability side effect. I was utterly miserable for a week, with horrible nausea and vomiting. Even water. If my wife had not made me go back to the hospital, I'd probably have died from dehydration.

I cannot imagine living with nausea for months or years.

smittywerben

I apparently have a food allergy. I thought it was acid for years. It wasn't until I moved somewhere with much higher pollen levels that my stomach symptoms were way worse and I noticed the cross-reactivity. Usually allergies are faster but when it's not it the food makes it into your stomach and your whole body has issues. It's something I'm still kind of figuring out as we speak. Some people I think call it a mast cell disorder but I just call it a food allergy that I take Zyrtec for. Could it be described as "hives but in your stomach"? I mention this because you mentioned Dramamine, which, in fact, is also an antihistimine.

aaronbrethorst

I had (have) an undiagnosed gluten allergy, and had similar issues for a couple years until I tried cutting wheat and other sources of gluten out of my diet and felt like a normal human being again within two days.

smittywerben

You have to be careful with suggesting to cut out X/Y/Z foods. Said another way, I would recommend OP eat a bag of gluten and see if they end up in the hospital you'll have your diagnosis in 15 minutes and then there'd be no argument.

I'm not speaking about you specifically, parents get the cutting out X/Y/Z food wrong with their kids all the time. It makes people afraid of eating instead of afraid of what they're allergic to. Unless you maintain a strict food journal which I don't have time for why not just take 2x dose of Zyrtec (I'm just a happy customer) for a week, then try the gluten/paleo/soylent/steve jobs diet.

Edit: I am not a medical doctor and taking an antihistamine to mask a food allergy is probably dangerous but I'm still testing myself. OP said they tried Dramamine, which is an antihistime. I've taken that along with many antacids including Nexium and Pepcid which are also antihistimine. Maybe mast cell disorder is what doctors have to call it so someone with a peanut allergy doesn't read this and reaches for zyrtec and a bowl of peanuts and throws out their epipen. That's why I mentioned the pollen cross-reactivity because I think my body is just overreacting so I'm making the executive decision to suppress it. It's been 8 months or so, I've not taken a single Nexium, only a couple pepcid which for my family is basically cured. I moved somewhere with less pollen because I don't like taking pills all the time.

namuol

The emotional turmoil of trying to get help from the medical system with an unknown chronic illness can be just as bad or worse than the illness itself at times. I hope the author gets to the bottom of things and is able to find treatment or treat themselves.

nejsjsjsbsb

Yes when this happens you become a project manager trying to persuade resources you have no control over to get on board. And you are paying for them. And they may give you bad advice. And you feel like shit and don't want to do it.

interdimensi0n

Is it same as the case + solution in this video w Forstall?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiuVggWNqSA&t=2490s

cmclaughlin

I will be honest, I only skimmed the article… But I did not see any mention of exercise. Not sure if the author will read this, but the best way I know to increase metabolism is to walk or swim. Ideally work up to something more intense like yoga or weightlifting as you start to feel better. Basically, activity work at building up an appetite and eat high fiber foods.

Also check out the fodmap diet to get your gut in order before working up to exercise.