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Steam Brick: No screen, no controller, just a power button and a USB port

thastings

If you need to enter the BIOS: bring up the terminal, and write `systemctl reboot --firmware-setup` This reboots systemd-powered systems to the UEFI menu. May not work on other init systems, but SteamOS is based on Arch with systemd.

sedatk

You can do the same on Windows with the command `shutdown /r /t 0 /fw`.

jethro_tell

Systemd systems can still have grub as a boot loader.

In that case, you can usually set the boot order with bootctl and reboot.

robertlagrant

There are two types of technical blog post. One explains to you from a great towering height of immense knowledge how good it felt to use to use npm install and here's why that's exciting, and this is the other type. Written with many apologies for barely being able to do anything while doing everything better than I ever could.

andrewaylett

This is brilliant.

When I was in sixth-form, a friend built a portable case containing a micro-ATX motherboard. No battery, but he could sit down at any of the school computers, plug into the wall, and use its peripherals with his PC. That was more than 25 years ago, I feel old now.

choult

For the non-Brits, "sixth-form" means years 12 and 13 of school - equivalent to junior and senior years of high school in the US. The first and second yearsof sixth form are referred to as "lower sixth" and "upper sixth" respectively.

It's a hold-over term from when secondary education (ages 11 and up) started in "first form" and worked up.

brookst

Thanks for the explanation but it shattered the narrative by mind was building about an alien intelligence that slipped up and posted about its memories of its sixth physical form, the result of its fifth metamorphosis.

schwartzworld

Op is a Pak Protector

tommica

I was thinking the poster was a JRPG boss

xvector

This is pretty much exactly what was going through my mind as well. I was excited the aliens had started reading HN. Now I'm just sad.

mgaunard

Interestingly enough, the French do it the other way around, and start counting from the final year (they also start at 0 so it's offset by one).

That's arguably a better system since you can keep adding earlier and earlier years (mandatory school starting age has drifted from 11 to 6 to 3 over the years) while keeping everything consistent.

Unfortunately they messed it up in 1959 by renaming 12th to 7th and giving matching names to the new 13th/14th.

olivierduval

Actually, it's more complex than this in France. There is 5 systems:

- depending of the Ministry of Eduction :

   - for toddlers : maternelle (3-6 yo)

   - Primary : CP (6 yo, primary), CE1 (elementary 1), CE2, CM1 (middle 1), CM2

   - Secondary :

       - College (not the US one!) : 6th (~11 yo), 5th, 4th, 3th (with exam at the end)

       - Lycée : 2nd (~15 yo), 1st, Terminal (with 'Baccalauréat' exam at the end)
then depending of Ministry of Research : University or Post BAC schools

However, I think that in some other french-talking countries (Belgium, Swissland) they did it simpler

fhars

Nothing compared to the order I went through in Germany: 1, 2, 3, 4 (elementary school until here), then VI (read in Latin, sexta), V (quinta), IV (quarta), lower III (tertia), upper III, lower II (secunda), 11, 1st semester, 2nd semester, 3rd semester, 4th semester.

Fnoord

French and Brits do a lot of things the other way around, like imperial system, ATON/NATO, driving on the other side of the road.

Just mentioned the age bracket. Kids who are younger or older are outliers.

smorrow

What do you mean "hold-over"? In NI we still say "first year" through "fifth year". Is that not done in Britain?

Eavolution

I'm also from NI, our school officially used year 8 to year 14, but everyone knew both ways around and just switched between them.

Edit: I should clarify I'm currently in uni so this was fairly recent.

esskay

Typically no. In secondary school its just said as "Year 7", "Year 8" etc to 11, then Sixth Form.

virtualwhys

In the US, for schools that use this form of grading, it means your senior year; 3rd form is freshman year and so on.

We tend not to have a 13th grade, and when that does exist, a PG (post grad) is generally there because they excel at a particular sport.

jonp888

In Britain the first high school graduation happens after 11th grade; attending sixth form is optional and is primarily done by students intending to study at University. In these years you specialise in a couple of subjects relevant to your intended course of study, and for university you apply and are accepted for and study exclusively one subject from day 1.

So arguably the US equalivalent is the freshman year of college.

kaladin-jasnah

I guess some people in the US call someone beyond their 12th grade in high school, or fourth year in an undergraduate program a "super senior."

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NikkiA

And should be noted that 25 years ago, was still optional.

madaxe_again

Sixth form is hardly the oddest name for a year, though. Shell, remove, fifth, 6b, 6a at my school, and quite a few others.

imoreno

Form of what?

swarnie

Am educational form, an antiquated word for a bench.

nlawalker

I did this for a while in college ~20 years ago with the original Mac Mini, it worked pretty well. A little clunky given multiple things to plug in but it was nice to have your entire environment with you locally.

spacemarine1

Interestingly, Steam’s first hardware product was a Steam Box: a little computer brick that could boot Steam on linux and let you play all your games on your TV (with a Steam controller or game controller of your choice). The cycle is now complete.

geoffpado

The history is a bit more complicated than that. Valve themselves never released a “Steam Box” that could run games on Linux. They partnered with a few different companies (Alienware, Gigabyte, etc.), who released co-branded “Steam Machines” which were just those companies’s normal hardware design, but with a common set of specs ideal for running SteamOS. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_%28computer%29

You might instead be thinking of the Steam Link, which *was* produced by Valve, and *was* a tiny little brick that let you play games on your TV. But the Link wasn’t running the games itself, it was streaming them from a dedicated PC (which may itself have been a third-party Steam Machine) elsewhere in your home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Link

swores

> "which were just those companies’s normal hardware design"

For Alienware (not sure about the others, but AW was Valve's lead partner on it anyway) you're right in that it was a computer designed by Alienware not Valve, however it was a) very different to other Alienware PCs, and b) Valve were genuinely part of the development process, they didn't just say "hey make a small computer". They also shipped with the first gen of Steam controllers, which were created by Valve themselves. (Unfortunately, due to delays with SteamOS, the first version of the AW "Steam Machine" actually launched running Windows only, but with the Steam Controller, because Alienware weren't willing to delay their launch further and instead developed their own controller-based UI for Windows in a rush job...)

(Source: me, I was in the loop on those goings on at the time.)

To this day, I think the Alienware Alpha (as the Windows version got called) was one of the nicest machines Dell ever made and one of the best small PCs I've ever seen.

ok_dad

> first gen of Steam controllers, which were created by Valve themselves

The best goddamn controllers ever made, too, I still have one in a box somewhere around here and I won't use it because it's so awesome I don't want it to break. Pretty dumb eh? The two touchpads were the absolute best, I've never had control like that in an FPS and to this day I can't play any FPS with a stick because I was ruined on the Steam Controller.

geoffpado

Perhaps I am unfairly lumping Alienware in with some of the other Steam Machines, which very much did look almost identical to their manufacturer’s other PCs at the time.

As someone who at the time was VERY into buying the “console-like” PC gaming experience that Valve was seemingly selling, I remember being pretty disappointed not just by the SteamOS delays, but also how much most of the Steam Machines still basically looked, to me as an uninformed buyer, at least, to basically just be a different SKU of their regular lines rather than the true “Steam experience” that I was hoping for (and which the Steam Deck eventually delivered).

dynamite-ready

I suppose the missing part of the story is why they held back on pursuing this market.

At the time, the console market was wide open, with little innovation in terms of hardware, until Nintendo released the Switch.

Even now, I'd be quite happy to own a Valve branded, small form PC that plugs into a TV.

The Steam Link was a kop out to me.

genewitch

I still use my steam link all the time. I have it fiber back hauled to the computer that it runs off of. I'm thinking of buying a couple more. Give one to my kid and one put on a projector so I don't have to keep moving it back and forth.

Also, I think the device you're looking for is a deck because you can plug that into a television and use a wireless remote with it.

The steam link is the best remote display device I've ever used. No frame drops or artifacting, even on scenes that make the 3090 chug. It forwards controllers to the PC.

Now, the software, "big picture mode" and otherwise using a controller for PC input aren't the greatest, but you gotta figure it's me and like 2 other people still using this.

BTW airscreen/miracaat/screen mirroring/"wireless display" all suck. If your TV has smart bullt in that supports miracast, that in my limited experience is the second lowest latency, then firetv devices, and then roku and everything else. Roku only usable for presentation or digital signage, unless first party built in.

No idea why.

qwytw

I guess Proton/Wine/Linux gaming wasn't mature enough back then. Also a handheld wasn't really an option because there weren't any powerful enough yet energy efficient and cheap x86 chips available either.

hinkley

I’m using the controller I got with my Steam link for the Steam deck.

Had to find a friend with a Windows box to run a firmware update to make it entirely Bluetooth compatible. But it works.

SteveNuts

They really did a good job slowly experimenting with hardware working their way up to the Deck.

First the steam box then the controller, I’m sure they learned a lot from both of those before they released the deck.

Jolter

There were many years between the Steam Controller (2015) and the Deck(2022). I’m not sure how much of those learnings could still be applied, considering changing technology as well as staff changes.

Maybe Valve has such excellent staff retention that this would be a non-issue. At my previous employers, two years would have been enough to have to start over from 0.

Fnoord

Before performing a mod like this (or generally opening up your device) put your device in battery safe mode [1]

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+Enable+Steam+Deck+Batter...

alias_neo

I've disassembled LOTS of devices in my time, and never knew this was a feature that could be used after the initial purchase.

For some years now I've known certain devices like laptops won't power on when bought until first plugged in, but I didn't realise that it could be enabled intentionally after the fact.

Typically the first thing I do when I open a device is remove the battery, so accidental button presses (like i-fixit lists) as the reason for it are a non-issue.

SharpestBulb

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ekimekim

This isn't all that different to how I use my gaming PC - it's off in another room, with a monitor that is plugged in but almost always off (I don't think Windows will boot without at least something plugged in?), Steam set to start on boot, and then I entirely use it via Steam Remote Play from my main PC.

daemoens

You could get a dummy HDMI plug for $3 on Amazon and free up that monitor if you need it. [1]

[1] https://www.amazon.com/BKFK-HDMI-Dummy-Plug-3840x2160/dp/B0C...

ekimekim

I do use it occasionally - mostly when Windows has thrown up some issue stopping Steam from working properly.

eg. I need to dismiss a dialog that is invisible over remote play, or it won't finish logging in until I close a "finish setting up your windows install" screen.

genewitch

Go to the gaming machine and upgrade it to > home or edu version if needed. Enable remote desktop with auth on your network for that machine. As long as Windows is booted and able to be logged in to on the gaming machine you can go on your other machine:

Win+R mstsc.exe and put in the gaming machine's name or IP and follow the instructions, checking all "remember this" boxes (there's 2, three if you count the certificate).

RDP won't let you play games but it is functionally identical to sitting at the machine itself.

distantsounds

consider a different remote access option i.e. sunshine + moonlight instead of using steam remote play

reddalo

I still don't understand why operating systems can't properly work without a screen.

I have a Linux "home server" and I haven't found a way to boot up a graphical session with everything working (there were bugs in some applications, like menus not showing up, you couldn't change resolution, etc.).

A dummy HDMI plug fixed it, but still. It's 2025, come on.

shepherdjerred

You can definitely run graphical environments without a screen in a virtual environment, e.g. https://github.com/selkies-project/docker-nvidia-egl-desktop which is even GPU accelerated

Rohansi

Parsec has a driver which adds virtual monitors so you should be able to use that instead of a dummy HDMI plug.

Another issue is not having a mouse plugged in will mean you have no mouse cursor when remoting in.

Fnoord

Back in days (around twenty years ago) I used NoMachine on Debian/SPARC to do exactly this: run GNOME remotely.

Waypipe nowadays allows the same, but I don't think it has resuming support.

kevin_thibedeau

Headless X11 machines were a thing then it was all abandoned.

thatfrenchguy

macOS has no issues with no monitor fwiw

mgrandl

There is also this: https://github.com/VirtualDisplay/Virtual-Display-Driver

Never used it, but I heard great things!

RockRobotRock

Ran into problems, but that's probably because of the proxmox pcie passthrough nvidia gpu torture chamber I went through, and not the driver.

thesuitonym

Windows will boot without a monitor, or at least, it used to, not sure about Windows 11. But Steam Link mirrors your display, and so doesn’t work without one.

gaudystead

I built a NUC running Windows 11 into a tiny portable server for a project I was building and can confirm it boots and functions just fine without being plugged into a monitor.

I just plug it into a power source and it does what I need it to do, but I can plug a monitor and keyboard (and sometimes a mouse because keyboard-only navigation seems to be getting less and less supported/intuitive...) if I need to perform troubleshooting.

dicknuckle

The issue is usually with the graphics card itself in my experience.

This is easily "fixed" on a DVI port by plugging a resistor of the correct value into two of the tiny pin sockets. The diagram is very easy to find online and you don't have to open the computer. That's become a thing of the past as far as I know.

wongarsu

Can confirm. I boot Windows 11 without screen, then connect via RDP without issue

TiredOfLife

https://github.com/timminator/Enhanced-GPU-PV or https://github.com/ClassicOldSong/Apollo (sunshine fork with auto virtual display)

note that RDP works without plugs/virtual displays.

S--M

Have you tried sunshine + moonlight? I've heard it has lower latency and better streaming quality.

nottorp

Can confirm that. Using both to connect to the same windows box and sunshine+moonlight is better latency wise for fast paced games. And for games bought from GoG unless you want to configure Steam to launch them :)

Steam streaming is more convenient if the game is on steam and it's turn based or something like that. Also if the (mac) box you're streaming to has multiple monitors, Steam will continue to show the game if you cmd-tab out of it, while moonlight will minimize from the start.

izacus

Yep, I found that combination to be better when it comes to lag, stability and quality as well.

Especially now that they added a 4:4:4 chroma subsampling option which fixes things like text edges in some cases.

papichulo2023

A then you can use lossless scaling on moonlight for a real amazing distrubed gaming experience.

genewitch

Okay this all sounds great, what specs do I need on the machine connected to the TV? Will a Raspberry Pi 3 work? Pine64? Atomic Pi? (That's x86_64, intel Celeron)

Anything more than that and the value proposition goes way down. For every 50 grams lighter I am willing to lose 1fps. For every fan removed I will drop an entire resolution (4k -> 2k -> FHD...) Change "lighter" to heavier if it makes sense. My comfort and aesthetic matters more than competition quality, pixel perfect yadda

I keep starring these remote display projects but none have convinced me to provision a client machine for the purpose yet.

moffkalast

I prefer indoor lighting myself.

bhaney

This is one of many reasons why I just don't let Windows touch bare metal. My old gaming rig was a Linux machine that would boot a Windows VM with GPU passthrough, and the control I had over the virtual hardware that Windows thought it was attached to was really helpful for working around a lot of Windows bullshit. Won't boot without a screen? Virtually attach a fake one. Recognizes a device and tries to auto-install the garbage manufacturer-provided driver? Run the better Linux driver (if one exists) and have qemu present Windows with a generic version of the device. Want to debug some issue that requires disconnecting a piece of hardware? Just take it out of the qemu command instead of needing to go physically disconnect it. Want some remote peripheral attached that Windows has no idea how to talk to? Proxy it over the network in Linux and just present it to the Windows VM as a USB device. Having full control over the world that Windows lives in makes it much more manageable.

genewitch

Same. I only stopped because managing storage became a problem - three huge games came out that I wanted to play.

Were I to do this again I wouldn't do ryzen I'd do at minimum a threadripper, so that the guest can get a USB pcie card and a GPU, so literally every device windows sees and talks to is virtualized. Usb keyboard, mouse, soundcard, etc.

I think LTT did an epyc build where 1 epyc ran 3 full "Desktops" with GPUs, nvme, for each virtual machine dedicated. I just need the one!

jokethrowaway

Since a few years, I just play on Linux

Almost anything works with proton - unless you're playing competitive online games with anti cheats software

bhaney

Same. My Steam Deck has completely replaced my old gaming VM.

maxglute

Ditto I grabbed a few clearance steamlinks and have all the TVs remote play to my single high power desktop and use a normal browser for media.

I had it running on ASTER at one point, a multiseat windows software so I can be on main computer and others can use steamlink on alternate windows profile and few issues.

Performance was rarely issue, especially even on wireless, and it's nice to have everything happening in 1 box.

soyiuz

I did that for while, but recently switched to Bazzite. It's a much smoother experience.

Ekaros

Are NUCs with batteries unserved market? Just thinking of them as concept. How popular would they be?

Aurornis

A NUC with USB-PD input could be powered from a USB-PD power bank.

I’d much rather do that than purchase a NUC with a built-in battery. Keeping the two pieces separate makes them easier to repurpose later.

Regardless, the market for such a device is relatively small.

jayd16

Can they be? I'm not sure they make NUCs designed for mobile power draw without the battery.

cletusw

There are a good amount of lower power ones (e.g. with an N100 CPU) that draw ~15W usually and not that much more at full bore, and some of them are starting to come with USB-PD power inputs (even if they come with a DC power adapter some will accept USB-PD on another port).

Look for "PD in" on this sheet for some examples (columns BW-BY): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SWqLJ6tGmYHzqGaa4RZs...

theshrike79

I run a N97 based MiniPC off a power bank when I'm travelling, works fine along with my mobile hotspot.

scotty79

This is cool. But now I want a power bank with hot swappable batteries/modules. Or better yet a connector that you can attach multiple power banks to and it gives power if at least one non-empty powerbank is connected.

notpushkin

> But now I want a power bank with hot swappable batteries/modules

I think it’s possible to build one. Get a bunch of 18650 cells from a reputable brand (or just an old laptop battery, if you’re brave enough), then look for a 18650 powerbank kit on AliExpress – some of these would be with slots you can just plug the cells into, without welding/soldering.

TheSpiceIsLife

Can you already do this just by daisy chaining them?

esperent

I've wanted this for ages, Laptop ergonomics are horrible. When traveling I use a portable monitor, keyboard, mouse. Yes it's annoying to travel with all that but worth it not to end my work days with neck pain and a migraine.

I need a somewhat powerful GPU for work, so I'm seriously considering buying one of the more powerful handhelds with removable controllers and just taking them off. The screen would be superfluous but it's probably the most powerful travel PC, at least for the price, that's available right now.

I don't even need the battery that much. But all the options I've seen for SFF PCs that would fit in a backpack look fragile and I wouldn't feel confident carrying them around often. Plus, they're either expensive (because it's a tiny market) or geared towards office work.

On the other hand, the Mac Mini exists and is exactly what I'd want in terms of hardware. Why don't us Linux/Windows folks have this option?

vel0city

Plenty of NUC hardware is pretty beefy, most more tough than most of those gaming handhelds. I've dropped a couple of Intel NUCs down concrete stairs and they only got a few scratches. They've also had really good Linux support for ages, and had Intel's Iris Pro GPUs for a while. Unsure they'd really fit your needs though. AMD sells a number of APU boards though, they've got modern GPUs. Still not breaking any benchmarks though.

Also, those gaming handhelds are pretty power and temperature limited. They're often a good bit less powerful than a halfway decent gaming laptop, just a more convenient form factor for portable gaming.

esperent

NUCs are basically office machines though, I don't think any of them have the kind of graphics capabilities of a Legion Go, for example.

There are SFF PCs a little bigger than NUCs that do have strong graphics but they're crazy expensive.

soyiuz

Minisforum machines are excellent in that regard. Sturdy little bricks with price and performance.

ikurei

I have one and my main gripe with it is how large the power brick is. It's practically like carrying a second mini pc; I didn't take this into account when I got it, lesson learned.

esperent

Yeah they look good. Unfortunately from what I've seen they have limited availability outside of the US and EU. I could probably get hold of one but not sure if they'd cover the warranty outside of their sales area.

Fnoord

Not very power efficient, and warranty is meh.

Had to do a repaste to get proper cooling.

nine_k

There is a bunch of AMD-based tiny boxes for under $1k, and fancier boxes from HP or Zotac with discrete NVidia GPUs for $3-4k. They are somehow larger than a Mac Mini, but still very much the form factor of a small box to push into a backpack.

esperent

> Zotac with discrete NVidia GPUs for $3-4k

Crazy expensive.

PhasmaFelis

> I've wanted this for ages, Laptop ergonomics are horrible. When traveling I use a portable monitor, keyboard, mouse. Yes it's annoying to travel with all that but worth it not to end my work days with neck pain and a migraine.

Have you considered dropping the portable monitor for an angled laptop stand that will elevate the screen to eye level? I've got one that collapses down small enough to fit in a reasonably deep pocket.

esperent

I do actually use the laptop as a second screen in this way most of the time. However, it's amazing how many hotels lack any table deep enough to place a 15" laptop on a stand with a keyboard in front of it.

bombcar

Not terribly; as for many use cases buying a whole laptop is cheaper.

RainyDayTmrw

Depending on your exact requirements, Raspberry Pi 5 + case + battery is a configuration that already exists.

Ekaros

I could accept Pi, with case, storage and battery in single enclosure. That is singular unit with relevant ports open to use and it being usable while charging.

snailmailstare

It's hard to tell with a lot of NUC style devices whether they support USB PD as the device being charged but I would much rather have one or two USB power banks as my battery/UPS for the NUC, phone and laptops than anything more specific or inverted up to mains, etc.

bredren

Sort of niche but some Vision Pro folks are carrying SSDs w travel routers setting them as an SMB and powering the setup with a travel battery.

It provides streaming access to from large libraries of HDR content on the go.

marxisttemp

Linus Tech Tips editors spoke briefly on how they’re bringing Mac minis with them to events to edit on the go.

TheRealSteel

What's the advantage over a MacBook? Supports more external displays or something?

argsnd

For their CES coverage they said they used MacBooks. They just also brought a Mac mini along that they hooked up to fast internet in a nearby e-sports venue that they used as a backup option to remote into and edit videos from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYXh0AdBw-I

Ekaros

I didn't know Mac Minis had good batteries in them. How many hours do they last on full load?

blacksmith_tb

They don't, but they do idle as low a 4W for the whole system[1] so running one off a large portable battery would be possible (if not exactly elegant).

1: https://support.apple.com/en-us/103253

deadbabe

You can probably bring Mac Minis onto a business class airplane seat, plug it in to the HDMI port and edit while you fly.

petemir

SimulaVR will do this (NUC+battery), but on a VR headset.

calderwoodra

These glasses are super interesting - if laptops didn't have displays, their form factors could change considerably.

I'm imagining a rectangular shape with the track pad right aligned to the keyboard, rather than underneath.

rendaw

There was this "SpaceTop" startup making a laptop with no screen [https://www.pcworld.com/article/1919392/spacetop-is-the-firs...], just a built in case for XR glasses like this (except the case was built into the body). They gave up and pivoted into AI...

I was thinking I'd want to make my own. How hard could it be? Just a phone, keyboard, and usb hub fitted into some framing. I tried 3-4 demos of XReal glasses though and (when I found a pair that wasn't broken, cable damage?) the FOV was much smaller than they seemed to be claiming. I think the bridge of my nose sticks out so the glasses are significantly farther away.

I still like the idea.

freetanga

There a a number of people removing their screens from Mac Airs and others, some of them using these glasses too.

I think I saw in here. In the meantime

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Screenless-MacBooks-masqueradi...

Actually tempted to buy one with a broken screen and ply around.

maxglute

Amazing. Someone ran similar setup with a thinkpad workstation with deadscreen in studio, they fucked up screen replacement but ended up just using bottom chasis hooked up to a externaml monitor for the rest of school.

nejsjsjsbsb

I would love that. Happy for it to be a thin client type of thing too. Imagine a plane where you have room for a keyboard but that is it.

Makes me think: with this your phone is fine. You can run a Linux on your Android then have a thin client. Lots of options!

The laptop form factor makes a laptop fragile. To the point where a 2 yr old XPS has been serviced 20 times (pro tip: get all the top level service options for 3 yrs it was about 30% added to the cost). And I have a probably 12 year old Dell desktop with no issues at all.

carlbarrdahl

I'm on my third xps across 8+ years. 2 cases of services, the first one was a faulty keyboard on delivery and the second was a 1 meter drop into concrete that busted the screen.

Still looking for alternatives for my next one and thinking the System76. Gotta say though, I'm really happy with the xps model so far.

TheSpiceIsLife

I was spinning a ThinkPad diagonal corners between my palms, fumbled it, my catch attempt put more energy in to it, landed on front right corner on the kitchen floor, bounced.

Nothing wrong with it, nothing broke, everything worked.

This was back when IBM still ran the brand.

I wouldn’t encourage anyone to try that with my HP x360.

geoffpado

There were some people doing something similar with the Vision Pro and detaching the monitor from a MacBook Air[0]. It looks really slick, but how well it actually works, especially given the drawbacks of the Vision Pro, is… up for interpretation.

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUa_pPUbpGQ

pipes

I wish valve would do a steam laptop that's just steamdeck in a laptop. I'm surprised how good the steamdeck is. I'm considering replacing my pc with steamdeck + dock + external hard disc.

PotatoPancakes

Thankfully, we can now do this ourselves.

The Steam Deck hardware to compete with is:

- A custom CPU with integrated GPU that's somewhere between an AMD 6600U and 6800U, underclocked for battery life and thermals

- 16 GB of LPDDR5 RAM (6400 MT/s)

- 50 Wh battery

So, to make your own Steam Deck-like laptop, you should buy a USB or wireless controller and install the Holo ISO distro (for a UI like the Steam Deck) on a laptop with the following specs:

- 50+ Wh battery

- 16+ GB of RAM (preferably LPDDR5 for thermals)

- A sufficiently powerful CPU+GPU (most new 15W ones will do, especially if you set it to underclock when on battery power)

- A USB-C port with USB 3 Gen 2 speeds and DisplayPort support

- A sufficiently nice screen, speaker, trackpad, cooling fan

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atum47

Side question: are those glasses any good? I almost got myself a pair

baq

They’re good enough for gaming, don’t expect to do much coding.

They are very good for your neck, though.

kelvie

Depends on how you do your coding, and your expectations.

The glasses claim a 1080p screen, but realistically with text, you gotta scale it up to be more like a 720p screen.

If 1280x720 is good enough to code on for you, then you're fine, and it's certainly fine for some (e.g. I think some of my co-workers have vision problems so they set the font to be mega large, but code just fine).

HellsMaddy

Are there any glasses/headsets out there that are good for coding yet? The idea of working on the go with VR glasses is very appealing to me.

canuckintime

Short answer: no

Long answer: Vision Pro (if you are comfortable with the weight/price). Immersed Visor and Play for Dream Mr headsets are likely the first available coding VR headsets at reasonable prices but this will all be commodities very soon.

Your best bet is to resist being at the cutting edge for this year and pick up the winner after the next 11 months

MatthewCampbell

I code a lot on these. They're amazing on planes and trains as advertised, but I also spend a lot more time coding outside because they don't have the glare issues of a laptop screen.

VTimofeenko

> don’t expect to do much coding.

Is it because of the way they render small font?

SkyPuncher

It’s basically like working on a projector. Everything is just a bit too hard to read.

jauntywundrkind

Fonts render at whatever size you tell them to. That doesn't change.

I have the Viture not the Xreals, but anyways... my experience:

I do find that there's significant optical aberration that makes text more blurry towards the edges. I also have astigmatism; not a deal-breaker but it means the built-in myopia adjustment only partially corrects my vision. I basically got contacts again just so I can use these a bit better. But it still feels less clear than a regular screen with glasses or contacts. Doable but not great for text.

anaisbetts

I think they're quite good. Great for movies / games, I could use them for text but I'd probably zoom the editor a bit - a full work day in them would probably be Too Much. Really convenient for being able to plug into headless machines, or when traveling.

marci

If your head is on the smaller to medium size. And avoid v1 of xreal, even if you find a good deal. Their hinges are super weak. They said they fixed it in subsequent models.

panja

I got a big ol noggin, any other AR goggles for bigger headed folks?

petesergeant

I watch movies on planes with them and it’s perfect for that. Coding I haven’t made work, and MarioKart is too full-on for me in them.

regularfry

I've got coding to work, but you do need to change how you manage your windows. They've got the resolution but the virtual screen is too far away, so you need to magnify the text and keep what you're working on centred.

mistyvales

I was hoping Nintendo would make a Switch without a screen at one point.. but then it wouldn't be a switch anymore I guess

VikingCoder

Hells freaking yes.

XReal should totally make these, in partnership with Valve. It just makes so much sense.