Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

Have you considered Monkeybrains? For the price the service is fantastic, and with some of their new upgrades speeds are pretty good for most of SF.

Caveat: I work from home so I keep my comcast subscription as a backup and have a router with automatic failover. I would say this is not worth it for most people and just Monkeybrains is sufficent.

Sonic covers large parts of Oakland too. Been really happy with their 10Gbps service, I have an Intel X520 SFP+ NIC in my PC and I get 7-8Gbps symmetrical if upstream isn't bandwidth-limited.

Yep, my in-laws in Menlo Park had insanely slow SBC DSL with high packet loss. SBC actually just discontinued the service rather than do anything useful.

I once paid that ridiculous $149/mo for the 1gig Comcast service until I got tired of the bill that I was really only paying for bragging rights, and went back to 250Mbps.

I'm in Fremont and I recently noticed they now have 2gbps for $105 in my area. Also they boosted the upload speed to 200-350mbps. I did have to upgrade my cable modem to get my faster upload speed but still I need a faster Wi-Fi router before I consider going to 2gbps.

Palo Alto has had AT&T fiber since 2019 depending on your location (but still not 100% coverage). I was lucky enough to be in an early coverage area but the price for 1GB symmetric has risen from $75/month to $115.

I've got a /48 IPv6 subnet with CenturyLink 1G/1G. It's a 6rd tunnel, but it's provided by the same ISP. Hopefully they'll go native soon, but it may not matter if I switch to Google Fiber.

My 1G/1G CenturyLink plan is $65/mo, which beats Google's $70 plan for the same thing in the same market, but I've had this plan for 5 years and it is no longer available.

I've had AT&T 1 Gbps in RTP NC at $70/mo since Jan 2017, with Max thrown into that price for free a few years back. I keep waiting for AT&T to raise my price but apparently it's permanent unless I change or cancel service.

My neighborhood was one of the first in Wake county that AT&T lit up, probably because it's one of the neighborhoods that re-used Bellsouth fiber[1]. It's been reliable service. No trouble with IPv6. I could've done without the AT&T privacy breach though.

Meanwhile Google didn't finally have fiber to my address till last year, many years after I got the free T-shirt[2] from them.

[1]: https://hack-gpon.org/ont-nokia-g-010g-a/

[2]: https://www.itbinsider.com/fall-fashion-fiber-shirts-are-her...

Yeah, my gripe with my snide comment is more about how bandwidth costs should be falling over time in a competitive market, not that 1gig for $70 isn't actually still a good deal for the US.

The real advantage in having Google Fiber move into Vegas (or anywhere else) is they they're creating competition. It's silly how fast broadband prices plummeted here with the 1-2 punch of 2 fiber providers coming in in relatively short order. All of a sudden, whoops, the major providers can profitably provide service at a fraction of the price! Who knew?

Huh I was able to get a /60 ipv6 prefix from my ATT fiber just fine, and it has been available since circa 2016.

If only it covered all of RTP. I've lived in TWO places in Durham where there was Google Fiber across the street from me but I couldn't get it at my address. Where I live currently the people across the street can get Google Fiber or AT&T Fiber and I can only get Spectrum Cable.

Anything which is front ended by a CDN tends to end up faster than your connection for even the fastest connections. That leaves most of the web, updates (Microsoft/Apple/Google), content services like Steam or cloud storage/backup providers, and centralized piracy like Usenet (decentralized like torrents obviously vary per the seeds for each torrent).

It's certainly convenient my games, AI models, cloud backups, and large file downloads tend to go many times faster than when I had gigabit but I'd by no means be crying on the sides of the road about how long things take to upload/download if I had to go back.

The biggest thing you'll run into is algorithms designed to increase performance for limited connections don't scale infinitely. E.g. updating games on the Epic Games Store tends to be core limited (even on an overclocked 9800X3D) rather than bandwidth limited because it puts so much effort into the encryption and differential updating with the assumption "it'll be fast enough to not worry about". Even in those cases... it's nice to max them out without even having contention on everything else you're doing.

I’ve got 10 gig with 5 millisecond ping to Ashburn (Comcast’s gigabit x10, so it’s a full 10 gig port to the head end, not PON) and web surfing still sucks because JavaScript.

For a lot of people the benefits show up because they have more devices sharing that connection. Before our kids moved to school we had 5 people on our home connection. Each with multiple devices, all trying to work or play games or stream content at the same time.

For one person with one computer it’s probably delightful overkill. For a modern family unit it can make everyone happy.

There are many use cases:

  - Download games from Steam  
  - Download or upload AI models and datasets from Huggingface and similar  
  - Any kind of remote work where you are regularly working with multi GB files

I get up to 90 megabytes/s download over wifi at my current place, and decent upload. I don't use it much, I just appreciate that I can do it quickly

for the last year I've been downloading Large Language Models through LM Studio's Huggingface browser, and I'm glad I can do that quickly

and pirating movies and tv shows again

other things that rely on some data don't get disrupted either

I'd like to run some service from my place, but I probably won't.

So many resources are large , the last deepseek model was 700Gb, games can easily run into hundreds of gbs these days. Just updating Xcode can be 10Gb

High speed internet opens up new use cases open up , for example, if I had a 10 gig symmetrical connection I could run my own self hosted CI runner for free* with my old hardware lying about and recoup my investment.

Any sort of spatial computing will need lot more speed and/or local assets to be useful - with today’s speed all we can reliably get is what Facebook is doing with metaverse .

Not 10 gig but I am on an apartment with 1gig down. It made a difference when I downloaded deepseek the other day. It took a few minutes instead of hours/days. I think if you have a family with a couple kids it can come in handy when everyone tries to connect online. Kids can be downloading games/streaming, you working and partner video-calling on high res.

It is not a necessity but a nicety.

> what do you use 10gig for?

Nothing, really! It's cheaper than 1gig, and my ISP doesn't even give me the option of paying for less. I could save about $10 a month to downgrade to AT&T 300Mbps fiber though (which would have data caps, bad privacy policy).

I'd be happy down to say 250/250. Gigabit feels like "all I could ever need" (for now), and 10gig is fantasyland.

Not true re Openreach monopoly - openreach ftth is approx 51% premises covered, altnets cover 40% of the country (https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/uk), so not much in it at the moment.

On top of that, Virgin Media is upgrading their existing 18m home DOCSIS network to FTTH plus their nexfibre build will take them to probably 25m+ homes.

So by the end of the decade the average UK household is going to have access to at least 3 separate FTTH networks.

Only OR FTTH is not symmetrical btw. Everyone else offers symmetrical and YouFibre offers 8/8gig.

Another global comparison point - in Japan, 1 Gbps fiber is available pretty much nationwide (I just checked the address of my in-laws' rural ancestral home in the middle of the rice fields)

10 Gbps is available in increasingly smaller cities (e.g. it was recently made available in a city of 100,000 near me).

Both priced at about $30/mo

Even if OR roll out symmetrical I doubt that many retail ISPs will sell it because that's one of the main selling points for Ethernet/"leased line" circuits for businesses

Fibre in NZ - 1Gbps $55USD 2Gbps $74USD 4Gbps $82USD

I can't even get it in zone 2 in London :(

That's rural life. I'm downtown in one a big Canadian city, and the best I can get is 400 down and 10 up for ~100$/month. You're getting better up than me, and I'm literally at the core of a major city.

They are probably still making bank on that I bet, my rural area got co-op fiber 2 years ago and its $85 for 250 mbps, which I actually get closer to 350 mbps from, and $125 for full gig symmetrical. And it is rural enough to not even have DSL before now. They have made enough money that they have covered a large chunk of this part of my state which is mostly all rural and have only sped up their area and roll-out of more service.

I have this wacky idea of community fiber kiosks where you stop to fast-download large files/torrents/data dumps

Any opinions on this from a user experience point of view?

I mean my "symmetrical 10G fiber" is actually 150MB up/down once it come through my router to my laptop, so while expensive, your speed is perfectly respectable.

+1 to what was said above; the UI didn't take 3.5 years to make - we launched it fairly quickly and then continued to improve on it. Later there was large UX refresh, so maybe that's where OP is getting confused? Either way, that software continued to work for years after the team was moved on to other projects. SageTV was good, but the UI wasn't java - it was a custom xml-like layout.

They laid us all off. They had huge plans - millions of users! Then they intersected reality in KC where all people wanted was 5Mbit service and free TV... There were many, many people working to perfect the settop box for example. We got fq_codel running on the wifi, we never got anywhere on the shaper, the plan was to move 1+m units of that (horrible integrated chip the comcerto C2000 - it didn´t have coherent cache in some cases), I think they barely cracked 100k before pulling the plug on it all....

and still that box was better than what most fiber folk have delivered to date.

At least some good science was done about how ISPs really work... and published.

https://netdevconf.org/1.1/talk-measuring-wifi-performance-a...

Google is perfectly willing to shut down a profitable product

I have also had Google Fiber since near its inception. I imagine it is profitable for Google because instead of tracking my browsing data, Google can just track all my packets now.

They did kill it before. But it's back again.

I think it must be that it will have the net effect of making people less free. They throw out stuff that could make money when it's good for freedom like Google Reader.

is there any desire for residential 10g service? it's pretty hard to image how 90% of families would use up 200meg

> Luckily AT&T installed it on the pole by my house

This seems to be Google Fiber's purpose. Spurring the telcos into investing to maintain share.

It's worse.

Event venues AND anyplace that might EVER have expense account holding business travelers just want to charge for it. Even if fiber literally rolled right up to the side of the building, it'd be resold by either the hotel or a 3rd party vendor with a focus on profit rather than just being good.

I mean, no one is expecting commercial-grade fiber at residential prices, but even taking that into account, these hotels (which are almost all owned by 3 companies) can afford to drop a few dozen grand a month on internet and not even notice the bill

Amazon during re:Invent somehow manages to set up fast WiFi networks that service literally tens of thousands of attendees.

It's a skill issue from the hotel owners. They can't be bothered to fix their stuff.

it's probably just a skill issue. the wifi at the Chaos Communication Congress, on the other hand, is spectacular.

I'm gonna need a source on that one beyond LTT just going "the hotels on the strip collude with each other".

Convention wireless is a pain in the ass as a whole, and I've seen it both from venue-hosted networks and privately-operated-on-site networks being deployed as an overlay.