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Microsoft Bob: Microsoft's biggest flop of the 1990s

TowerTall

Microsoft never really left the dream of creating Bob behind. If you look at their Virtual Reality Portal it is basically a modern version of Bob where you start in a livingroom and need to go into into other rooms to perform certain task. To start apps you eg. need to pick them from a book shelf. Essential the same a Bob.

A few images for reference. Notice that you start MS Paint same way in the VR portal and Bob.

VR Portal: https://onewindows.es/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/windows-mix...

Bob: https://static1.howtogeekimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

xerox13ster

FWIW I actually really enjoyed that VR Home concept, far more than any of the current ones. At the time that I had the headset that supported that and still ran windows I was enamored with the space and spent a lot of time in the loft space, the one at the top of the skyscraper.

I did as much of my computing in that space as possible, pulling up multiple desktop windows and floating applications and pinning them places. On one wall I had the Zune software with my whole music library, and my music played from that place, so I imported 3d models of speakers (I managed to actually find an end user use case for that default Windows user folder and I still as an admin and dev wonder why it's a default) and stuck them next to the app and they persisted. I'd drag discord around with me and I could even access the screen of my phone by bringing up Your Phone.

I found it really kind of nice to use, and I wish the space had been more capable. Able to take more object formats, able to handle more vertices, I wish I had been able to boot directly to the virtual environment and eschew the step of switching between desktop and virtual mode. It also visually paused basically every app and desktop you didn't specifically keep active, except for Zune--that would go into Mixview and look cool as hell on the wall.

I miss it, and I'm sad they killed it and I'm not aware of an experience like it for linux on an openish device atm.

causality0

I remember once buying a graphics card that included one of these virtual environments where files were on shelves, etc. Wish I could remember its name.

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boomboomsubban

We had Bob in an attempt to make my technophobic mother capable of using the computer.

My main memory of it was that it allowed you to add shortcuts to other installed programs, so I added the few games on the computer to Bob. This used way too many resources, causing Bob to crash and me being unable to get into my profile to fix it. It may have broken the program for anyone else using it too, I can't recall. Relatively standard behavior crashing the program far beyond their target market's ability to fix it.

silisili

First Windows computer I ever used had something like this, called Packard Bell Navigator. It was... interesting but ultimately an annoyance to use.

Looking at screenshots, Bob appears to be a more childish and cartoony version of the concept. I can see why it didn't fair well.

https://youtu.be/pwTIbYV_q6I around the 12 to 13 minute mark shows the Navigator interface.

pjerem

Well, as a kid, I loved it.

It was probably awful but I didn’t care at all it had extreme 90´s vibes. All of my games were in a space room or whatever I remember. I was 6 or 7 and I discovered computers. Everything was cool. Packard Bell Navigator was in everything so it was cool :)

Yes it’s nostalgia.

asveikau

Version 1.0 of Packard bell navigator in that video reminds me of the Macintosh "at ease" software I used to see in schools.

Totally off topic, I'm reminded that a high school friend gave me an old Packard bell machine for free once, and I ran OpenBSD on it for years. I got some ISA NICs and used it as a firewall.

ciabattabread

Ugh, Packard Bell. Being our first computer, we had no idea that Navigator program was pointless until months after. And I think it was another year before we realized it was capable of true color resolution (It shipped with 256 colors as the default).

TimTheTinker

The first computer that I bought (in 8th grade, after saving for a couple of years) had Packard Bell Navigator. It was a sort of full-screen program in Windows 95 that you'd use to launch other programs, although it could do a few other things in-app.

It was ... odd. I opened it once or twice and deleted it.

phito

You just unlocked a core memory for me. I remember that house so well but haven't thought of it in decades!

cr125rider

“Adult Password” vs the much more common modern “Admin Password” is excellent

skeeter2020

if Microsoft Bob was too cartoony for you, you could also go with a cartoony puppy, or a cartoon wizard!

I worked with a software developer who LOVED that puppy - way more than I loved MOPy fish (rip)

cr125rider

Petey the green bird, then gorilla was my buddy. Bonsai Buddy I think he was called!?

silisili

Ugh, I had forgotten all about that. I'll never get that creepy robotic "Day, z. Day, z" out of my head.

anonymousiam

Melinda gates was more than just the product's marketing manager, she was in charge of the whole project.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/29/the-lesson-melinda-gates-lea...

cr125rider

Wait wait wait, Comic Sans was born in Microsoft Bob!? Way to bury the lead! That’s an incredible little origin story!

LeoPanthera

According to Wikipedia, it was intended for Bob, but wasn't actually used in it, and ultimately first appeared in "3D Movie Maker".

Wistar

I have a pristine shrink-wrapped copy of Microsoft Bob on my office shelf next to my shrink-wrapped copy of MS 3D Movie Maker.

crazygringo

> Microsoft included an encrypted copy of Bob on Windows XP installation CDs to waste space to discourage piracy.

This feels like an urban legend made up after the fact.

It would be way easier to just generate random bytes, and nobody could ever tell the difference.

Especially since no decryption key exists.

It's just a funnier story if that's the only thing Bob was ever good for...

sillywalk

> This feels like an urban legend made up after the fact.

Raymond Chen of Microsoft has this to say about that:

"... [the person adding 30 megs of random crap] could have just called the CryptGenRandom function to generate 30 megabytes of cryptographically random bytes, but where's the fun in that? Instead, he dug through the archives and found a copy of Microsoft Bob. He took all the floppy disk images and combined them into one big file. The contents of the Microsoft Bob floppy disk images are not particularly random, so he decided to scramble up the data by encrypting it. When it came time to enter the encryption key, he just smashed his hand haphazardly across the keyboard and out came an encrypted copy of Microsoft Bob. That's what went into the unused space as ballast data on the Windows XP CD..."[0]

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/technet-...

LeoPanthera

I really want this to be true, but Bob came on six floppy disks, far less than 30M.

selcuka

> It would be way easier to just generate random bytes, and nobody could ever tell the difference.

Programmers love easter eggs.

Edit: sillywalk's comment proves my point.

ok123456

It gave us Comic Sans, which had a notable impact on culture. I wouldn't call that a flop.

duskwuff

Comic Sans was from Microsoft Comic Chat [1], which was a separate product from Bob.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat

breadwinner

Unlikely. Comic Chat project was not a high-budget project that could design its own font. Bob on the the other hand was, and according to Wikipedia did fund the development of Comic Sans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans

gjsman-1000

It also gave us the world’s greatest example of poorly thought through security practices.

You can set a password on your Bob account. If you fail to enter the right password three times in a row, Microsoft Bob lets you reset the password, no further questions.

p_ing

It was a shell atop of Windows 3.x on a FAT16-formatted drive. Like 9x, the user account was only for personalization, not security.

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notnaut

What?? What was the point, even?

wongarsu

Anyone can get in, but nobody can get in without leaving evidence behind.

tiahura

So you knew your kids had been doing something they shouldn't.

chgs

To get people used to passwords

gazchop

The funeral director at my father’s funeral used comic sans for everything.

A flop no but used hilariously for a things it shouldn’t be. One of the most divisive typefaces ever.

I like it.

PeterHolzwarth

I believe it's a fairly popular font with dyslexics as well.

alexjplant

My mother was an early childhood teacher for decades and used it in everything she printed for her classes. I asked her why and she said it bore the closest resemblance to proper block print out of all the fonts available. I went through several bouts of unnecessary glyph modifications in my own handwriting when I was a kid because I thought various fonts looked cool so maybe there's something to it.

Personally I don't get the outrage. In my opinion the likes of Bradley Hand ITC and Papyrus are abused more often but nobody's ever accused me of having good taste ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Loughla

That's hilariously bad. Our sweet old lady office manager 2 jobs ago used comic sans for every announcement.

Babies and new employees and that sort of thing it was fine. But using it for death notices of employees family members, with frowny face emojis, was a bit much. She was so sweet, but so very very oblivious.

edgineer

Us kids loved it. Spent a lot of time configuring rooms, theming them, exploring all the features. The most intriguing one was a mailroom, but that's because it asked to configure your modem and email server settings which I couldn't do. Had separate profiles for each of us in the family and our friends; but we soon learned you could reset anyone's password by saying you forgot it. Once the griefing started it lost some appeal, but I still have only fond memories of MS Bob.

1123581321

I broke my dad’s computer editing the registry to configure Microsoft Bob to display “the computer is a toy, not a tool” at the top. He had to call an older kid from church to come over and fix it. I was hoping that kid would be impressed and rightfully got nothing. Good memories.

dankwizard

"And then they released Microsoft Bob. They should have named it Microsoft Bomb, because it bombed. But if you take one letter out of Bomb, you get Bob. So they almost got it right."

So proud of this one they had to explicity point it out. Thank you though, I never would have made that connection.

rietta

There is a shrink wrapped box of Bob on display at the Computer Museum of America in Roswell, Georgia (Metro Atlanta).

duxup

Bob was hilariously bad.

But I never got the impression it was more than a weird experiment, failed, but I dunno about "biggest flop" as the stakes weren't that high. 95 was coming and clearly the way forward.

not_a_bot_4sho

It's a clickbait title.

If we were serious about biggest flops, we'd be talking about my beloved Lumia WP.