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Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

lefstathiou

This happened to me and I found this tool super helpful to get my site unblocked: https://dnsblacklist.org/

I purchased a valuable premium domain to host a personal art collection (of anime cels). For some bizarre reason, the site was inaccessible from my work computer and it was de-listed from Google even if I typed the url itself into search.

I hired a square space specialist to figure out why, to no avail. I then begged our company’s CISO to investigate and it turns out we had some firewall setting on UniFi that blocked the domain because it appeared on a list. Once I checked way back, it turns out that it was as an anime porn aggregator years back. I personally reached out to all the web filters out there (Google, Symantec, bing) and one by one filed tickets for them to mark it as art instead of pornography and it worked. I am now properly crawled on Google but still MIA on Bing, search console is giving me some BS error that’s incomprehensible, typical of MSFT.

romanhn

Another "haunted domain" check is by trying to post about it on social media. I ran into this with my current project's domain name. After building an MVP and trying to test the social sharing functionality, I found that Facebook was blocking the domain outright. Turns out there was some spamming from it years ago. Getting it unblocked was extra fun, as the page to request manual review was itself broken! Thankfully I knew someone on the inside who alerted the relevant team, but the whole experience was quite the novel speedbump.

dtdynasty

> Ideally, search engine algorithms would give new domain owners a fresh start.

Sadly, I think this would be instantly gamed by abusers. They would release the domain name and attempt to register as a new owner or start repeatedly doing handoffs. It's difficult to tell who the owner is changing between and whether or not the new one is a better actor than the former.

fhub

Google product manager interview question - Write some code with an LLM tool that leverages a LLM to determine if the new owner of a domain is doing (a) same dodgy thing as prior owner that got flagged (b) different dodgy thing as prior owner but should be flagged (c) something completely innocuous (d) needs further review.

jsheard

Please don't give Google ideas for more ways they can have an algorithm arbitrarily screw you over with no recourse, they're listening.

richardw

Well, current approach guarantees you’re getting screwed over. Any improvement is beneficial unless it blocks a better approach?

fhub

Follow up interview question. Update the code using your LLM code gen tool of choice that, when someone submits a complaint via an online form, feeds that complaint text back into your LLM to score it again. Points deduction if the candidate ever mentions informing the complainant of anything.

kmoser

Sadly, the same holds true for IP addresses.

veyh

Some time ago I noticed that my side project (with a domain that is not haunted) shows up fine on Google but not Bing/DuckDuckGo.

So I checked the Bing Webmaster Tools. URL Inspection says "Discovered but not crawled - The inspected URL is known to Bing but has some issues which are preventing indexation. We recommend you to follow Bing Webmaster Guidelines to increase your chances of indexation."

That's quite unhelpful. What's more, when I open the "Live URL" tab, it says, in green: "URL can be indexed by Bing."

It's a simple static Hugo site hosted on Cloudflare R2 (DNS mapped directly to bucket). https://pagespeed.web.dev gives it a score of 100 in every category.

Anyone else had something like this happen?

bryanbraun

OP here, and yes, I've been getting that same message for musicbox.fun. I thought it just needed some time but I requested a fresh index two weeks ago, and nothing seems to have changed. :/

shakna

Yup. I've regularly had problems with a static site [0]. Sometimes it's a top hit for my name on Bing, sometimes completely unlisted. Seems to flip back and forth - with that same message you get.

It's a handwritten HTML website, enhanced with JS but not reliant on it, hosted on Cloudflare. Not quite a 100 in every PageSpeed category, but just about.

[0] https://jamesmilne.org/

lmz

If it was easy to reset reputation with search engines what's stopping people from saying "under new management" every once in a while for an existing poor reputation domain? Probably better to just cut their losses and find another domain.

bebrbrhrj

Interesting. Domain as a unit of trust makes sense until it doesn't. Buying a second hand domain is like a second hand car. But you may not know it is second hand!

I think the mistake here is the redirect old to new. That is always risky so only do it if deseprate. In this case I would have done the redirect from new to old. Then just use the new as a vanity url.

bagpuss

one other thing i would suggest is to set up a catch-all email for the domain and see what gets sent to it, sometimes you can access accounts associated with the domain, socials etc

meowster

I have an interesting 3-letter.net

I set up a catch-all for personal use and wasn't expecting to get flooded with emails.

I was getting business emails, people trying to send money by Zelle, etc.

I was kind of hoping to get something good that I could take action on in the market, so I left it on for a little bit, but then I felt bad that people's emails were not getting answered (at least bouncing), so I turned off the catch-all. Oh well.

e40

I do that and get the occasional account signup. I also ban addresses that fet sent spam, which happens more than the account signups.

ellisv

I wonder if there’s a market for rehabilitating domain names

mock-possum

*exorcizing domain names

p3rls

The usual version of this is the popular SEO technique of buying an aged domain with a few backlinks and slapping a wordpress on it.

superkuh

For running a mail server every new domain is haunted.

mouse_

I feel like this should be the registrar's responsibility. Least they could do is give a disclaimer and/or a heavy discount.

andrewmcwatters

I’ll add: and if you lease a VPS, check out its address reputation and reverse DNS record.

jsheard

Isn't it pretty safe to just assume that any IP addresses belonging to public clouds, especially cheap ones, have bad reputations?

BOOSTERHIDROGEN

How?

mmwelt

I'm not the person you were replying to, but in the past, I've just used an IP reputation checking website, such as:

https://www.apivoid.com/tools/ip-reputation-check/

NibsNiven

Find out the IP address of the machine hosting the domain, then do a reverse lookup on that IP address. It might show the last domain hosted on that IP address.

Using dig:

$>dig yourdomain.tld

1.2.3.4

$>dig -x 1.2.3.4

evilcorp.com